本人是个新b，最近想买个机子，在g90n和891直接纠结 g90n，10w机器，完全可以合规发射，便宜，功能多，但是据说有这样那样的问题，比如说串广播，售后不行，而且好像相关技术也不太好 891，大家都推荐的入门百瓦机，虽然可以上证，但是如果想合规玩就有85w被浪费了，价格高，而且缺了频谱、天调等功能，担心入门麻烦，而且我还不清楚除了功率外，891对于g90n有哪些绝对优势，我在想会不会是因为在b可以用100w的时候，它是最便宜的百瓦机，所以显得性价比很高，但是现在b只能用15w了，是不是不适合入门用了

这俩机器完全就不是一个等级的......从硬件用料上891碾压g90n。强烈建议一步到位上891，保证你不后悔。等你玩了一段时间，打过几场比赛后就能理解啥叫休闲机器啥叫主力机器了。

891为了做小型化，无奈抛弃了天调，这确实是个硬伤。但也不是没有解决方案，市面上也有各种适配的天调。但我还是建议多从天线上下功夫，仔细研究明白一幅天馈系统。反正玩到最后机器反而成了最不重要的，都开始捯饬天线去了。

BG9JDI：你买891绝对比G90要省心的多的多的多。。或者再加点钱上7300或者710。找个二手的。

不上100瓦机器，那基本就是QRP的5瓦机了。15到5瓦，那可是5个db的差别哪。除了协谷的政策机，哪还有正好的15w? 等icom出7300n?? :)

除非你是老B 玩CW，或者新B你们当地不给100W机上小证，可以考虑G90N， 891增加频谱瀑布有外挂办法，天调并不是刚需，小功率尽量选择把天馈直接拉自热谐振的GP或者正V倒V 水平偶极，不要上端馈长线天调了，本来就十几W那些个的损耗大，我有个天调就基本没带出去用过，正V倒V长度拉到驻波1.5以内轻轻松松 15W的G90，还用长线+天调的话，真有效发射出去的都不知还剩下多少，白忙活了

啥也不用想，闭眼891，新手买G90最后就是退坑机器挂小黄鱼

能验机下执照就上百瓦机。我就是 891，按15W功率登记，限制小功率发射，主要考虑体积较小便携，以及一步到位。如果不考虑便携，ICOM-7300，FT-710，这两个有频谱，是新架构。

@"BA7NNC-JOE"#p62505 赞同，自然谐振下，天调不太需要。随手拉一个倒V就是1.2驻波。写给楼主：如果需要天调也可以买外置的，不和机器绑定，调节范围更大使用更灵活

如果没有办证问题，直接891。手里G90N和891都有，浅层次地用了几天： * 功率：891可以直接拧到10W，G90N想拧到100W，需要加钱上功放，不省钱。菜市场一群大功率的，你10W（刷固件可刷到20W）过去根本就是被碾压。 * 频谱图：常用就那几个频点，用几次就记住了，实在需要，可以再搞个SDR或外接模块 * 大波轮：除了看频谱图，891还可以靠转大波轮找台，G90就不好转 * 天调：天线调好了，不需要用天调；需要用天调，说明你天线还没调好，或者你想偷懒了 * 6米：G90N没有50M ### 那么G90N一无是处吗？也不是，如果你只是休闲，只是CW和FT8，或者你天线好，用891时也会把功率降到10W，那G90N也一样玩 ### 挂证还有其他选择吗？ * 二手IC-718：便宜的老机，注意让对方先把设备从执照上销掉 * G106C：最便宜的新机 * X6100：虽然贵点，虽然功率很小，但是野架方便，背个MA-12天线，把电台、电脑和一些零件装书包里，就能出去玩了。如果需要电池，手机充电宝+诱骗线也能用。

单波段操作，架设最简单的天线来说，倒V正V这类自然谐振天线秒杀其他任意类型天线，性能最好，架设最简单且可以轻松自然谐振，根本没天调出场机会。而且万一你以后要考C呢？给自己一个一步到胃的机会，891不容错过

Is it necessary to use a 100-watt generator with the new b?

BA4RLI

I'm a newbie and I've been trying to decide between buying a G90N or an 891 recently.
g90n, 10W device, can fully comply with regulations, is cheap and has many functions. However, it's rumored to have some issues, such as interference with other broadcasts, poor after-sales service, and potentially unreliable technology.
891 is the recommended entry-level 100W radio that everyone recommends. While it can be used on the stock exchange, if you want to use it legally, then 85W would be wasted. The price is high, and it lacks features such as spectrum scanning and frequency adjustment, which makes it difficult for beginners. I'm also not sure what the absolute advantages of the 891 are compared to the G90N, besides power output. I was wondering if its low price is because it's the cheapest 100W radio when using 100W in band B, making it very cost-effective. However, since band B can only use 15W now, it might not be suitable for beginners.

BA4RLI

BA4RLI 二更一下，看了大家的回答，突然意识到我的标题和我的描述有出入，在此更正一下
我并不打算违规发射，我只是纠结891和g90n相比（主要野架，所以看中这两个，比较小巧），在硬件，做工，使用体验上会不会有质的区别，在都合法使用的情况下，值不值得多花两千块钱，不过看了大家的答案，即使侧重点不在“一百瓦发射”上，891也有很多的优点，目前来看我应该是会选择891了

BG4IDK

These two machines are completely different levels... The 891 significantly outperforms the G90N in terms of hardware. I strongly recommend buying the 891 right away, so you won't regret it. After playing for a while and winning a few matches, you'll understand the difference between casual and high-performance machines.

BG4IDK

891: In order to miniaturize, I was forced to abandon the Tian Dao. This is definitely a major flaw. However, there are also various Tian Dao adapters available on the market. But I still recommend focusing on antennas and carefully studying a complete antenna-to-feed system. Ultimately, the machine itself became less important, and everyone started fussing over the antennas.

BG4IDK

BG9JDI: Buying the BG9J for 891 will definitely be much more convenient than buying the G90. Alternatively, you could spend a little more and buy the 7300 or 710. Look for a used one.

BI1NIZ

If you're not using a machine that outputs over 100 watts, then it's essentially a QRP 5-watt radio. The difference between 15 and 5 watts is about 5 dB. Besides XieGu's policy machines, are there any other 15W radios available? When will the IC-7300N come out?? :)

BA7NNC-JOE

Unless you are an experienced CW operator using a specific type of equipment, or if your local regulations do not allow for the use of 100W handheld transceivers, consider the G90N.

There are external methods to add a spectrum waterfall, but Skywave isn't essential. For low-power applications, it's best to choose a GP or a vertical dipole with a positive/negative V configuration that directly connects the antenna feed to self-resonant excitation. Avoid using long antennas for Skywave; these consume significant power (around 10W or more), and I haven't used my Skywave antenna much because of this. With a positive/negative V configuration, you can easily achieve a resonant length of less than 1.5 wavelengths.

A 15W G90, when used with a long wire and manual tuning, is actually quite effective. However, if you're using it this way, most of the power will be wasted, and you won't get much signal strength.

BG5VQE

BA7NNC-JOE I agree. Under natural resonance, the "sky tuning" doesn't seem necessary. Simply pulling a reverse V shape results in a 1.2 standing wave.

To the original poster: If you need to adjust the temperature, you can also buy an external one that is not tied to the machine, with a wider range and more flexible use.

dxs660

Don't think about anything else, just close your eyes and buy the G90. As a beginner, if you end up buying it and then regret it, you'll be back to square one.

BG5VQE

If you have a license, you can use a small power generator. I am using the 891, which is registered with a power of 15W, and it restricts low-power transmission, mainly because it's compact and easy to carry, and provides everything in one package.
If portability isn't a concern, the ICOM-7300 and FT-710, which are new designs with spectrum scopes, are good options.

BI7KHZ

BG5VQE I'm looking for recommendations for high-rise window antennas that can be mounted, and I'm new to shortwave radio. The antenna also gets hot, and there are more mosquitoes. I don't want to go outside and set it up until I'm more experienced.

BG4IJK

If there are no issues with obtaining a license, proceed directly to step 891.

I have both the G90N and the 891, and I've been using them for a few days now, primarily at a basic level.

Power: 891 can be directly connected to 10W, G90N wants to connect to 100W, which requires an additional amplifier and will cost more. The power output of the bulbs in the vegetable market is much higher; if you use a 10W bulb (which can be upgraded to 20W with firmware), it will be completely overwhelmed.
Spectrum analyzer: Use the common frequencies a few times, and you'll remember them. If needed, you can also use an SDR or external module.
Large knob: In addition to viewing the spectrum, the 891 can be used to find a channel by turning the large knob, but the G90 is not easy to find with this method.
Skywave: The antenna is properly tuned, so no need for the skywave tuner; if you need to use the skywave tuner, it means your antenna hasn't been properly tuned, or you're just trying to avoid work.
6 meters: G90N does not have a 50M frequency.

So, is the G90N completely useless?

That's not necessarily true. If you're just casual, using CW and FT8, or if your antenna is good, you can even reduce the power to 10W while using the 891 frequency, then the G90N will also work fine.

Are there other options besides displaying the certificate?

Used IC-718: An inexpensive older radio, but be sure to have the seller remove it from their license before you purchase.
G106C: The most affordable new device
X6100: Although it's more expensive and has limited power, the portability is a major advantage. With a MA-12 antenna, a radio, a computer, and some parts packed in my backpack, I can go out and have fun. If I need a battery, I can also use a portable charger plus a coax cable.

BH7JUO

Single-band operation, for the simplest antenna setup, a "V" or inverted "V" antenna easily outperforms any other type of antenna in terms of performance. It's the easiest to set up and naturally resonates, making it virtually impossible to achieve any kind of SWR (Standing Wave Ratio). Plus, if you plan on taking the C license exam later, this is a great opportunity – don't miss out on 891!

BG6HFD

First and foremost, it's crucial to ensure compliance with all applicable laws and regulations. Before proceeding, please consult your local radio management authority to confirm whether exceeding the permitted power levels is permissible.
If that's not possible, then there's no way to do it;
If possible, the ideal choice would be a 100W machine; while the 891 is portable, I still recommend the FT710, which is a new SDR device with built-in antenna and spectrum analyzer. It can also be used for larger antennas after passing the C license exam (Although the FT710 isn't as portable as the 891, it can still be carried in a carrying case).
Regarding the G90, it was my entry-level radio, but I didn't have a good experience using it. It's difficult to set up large antennas in urban areas, and back then, I could only use it for digital communication, which almost led me to give up on amateur radio altogether. However, now that I have a base station, I often take my G90s with me when I go out because it is very portable. As long as I find a suitable location and use the telescoping antenna, I can still get good reception. Therefore, I don't recommend choosing it as your first radio.

BG8AMG

If everyone can obtain a license, then buying the 891 is definitely the way to go. With the increasing number of C-class exams, it's best to prepare for the C-class exam in the future.

BG9CHE

Regarding using a G90N antenna with a Yagi-Uda antenna for contests: If the feedline and environment are good, achieving longer distances is definitely possible.

CQ-BG8LTU

BG9CHE What are the improvements of the Panda hand controller for this motorcycle compared to the original G90N? I saw that it's already sold out on Taobao.

When I was using the G90N antenna with a vertical V-antenna during the CQWW competition, I managed to make contact with several stations, including one in the United States.

BG5VQE

BG9CHE 大八木就是带劲，牛

BG9CHE

CQ-BG8LTU According to feedback from users who have tried the Uni-Directional microphone, it produces a louder sound compared to the original factory microphone under similar conditions.

BG8KUQ

I recommend going directly to 7300.

BG4IJK

BI7KHZ First, try using a different antenna, such as a handheld antenna with an adapter, a vehicle-mounted antenna, or headphones and wires. See what communication signals you can receive. If you can receive any signals, then consider installing an antenna at home.

Even if you receive a signal, it doesn't necessarily mean you can broadcast it. However, even if you don't receive a signal, broadcasting could also be disruptive. If you can receive a signal, try searching the forum using the keywords "阳台" (which translates to "balcony") to see what others are doing.

Regarding the effectiveness of the communication system, it's possible that no one will receive a message, especially in areas like 野架. It is more likely that people in high-rise buildings won't receive messages either. Therefore, you should have realistic expectations.

BG5VQE

BI7KHZ
For high-rise buildings, I recommend buying 5.6m GP antennas and installing them outside the window; this is a convenient option. You can search on Bilibili for "balcony antenna" to find many different solutions.
As for me personally, I managed to get a 10m band inverted-V antenna (without extending it outside the window) and was still able to work with quite a few stations using FT8.
Voice mode might not work well; there's too much noise in the house, but a wired connection should be better.
The opinions of IJK on the upper floor are also worth considering!

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