受到 https://forum.hamcq.cn/d/7831 帖子的启发，有了做个 “开机即通联” 的 Debian Live-CD 的设想。想来想去这个命名感觉还挺巧妙的，宗旨就是：“开机即通联” 和最小化配置引之前[评论](https://forum.hamcq.cn/d/7831/39)里的内容：目前在 Microsoft Windows 上操作的痛点： - 各种电台软件控制稀烂，就算有 Omnirig 也只不过是聊胜于无。最后实际上就是 CAT 大乱斗，一会这俩软件冲突了一会又得加一对虚拟串口了 😅 - 电脑上装了一堆软件然后呢？要用这些软件的时候又得都配置一遍，N1MM 配一配，JTDX 整一整，Winlink Fldigi 啥的再捣鼓捣鼓...... 呵呵。 - 而且还有不会配置的用户，很多 OM 根本不会配置 🤪 系统崩了重装一次就得再找人配。 - 更甭提这 Windows 上装个软件还贼麻烦，有些软件不用点魔法还装不了，就算装了也给你来个支持库全家桶（那么可想而知，这些不是靠系统加预装软件就可以解决的。但是转变思维，如果做一个定制系统来帮助用户消除这些难题，我觉得是相当有搞头的。Qrvbian 的计划的主要特性/功能： - 这个系统可以是基于 Debian/Ubuntu 之类的 LiveCD，这就首先解决了 Windows 隔三差五损坏需要重装的问题。 - 这个系统要在启动时让用户填写一些相关信息，比如呼号、网格等信息，这些信息最好可以持久化存储这样再次启动的时候不用重新输入。再填写完成好，这个向导程序自动把所有要用到呼号等信息的软件配置好，比如：wsjtx, jtdx, fldigi, qlog, notn1mm, qsstv 等等。 - 这个系统要提供统一的声卡及 CAT 控制，一中实现方法是在 pipewire 中先创建一个 placeholder 的声卡，这个声卡可以被映射到任何一个物理声卡。然后在创建这个 livecd 的时候，把所有软件都指向那个 placeholder 声卡。然后借助 Hamlib 像所有程序提供一个统一的 CAT 控制服务器，这样只要一处配置 CAT, 处处都可以用。 - 它应该提供一些主要玩法的文档，因为是 livecd 所以大家的系统都是一个样子，大家用同一份教程好像也问题不大。这样就算一窍不通的 ham 也可以把 ft8 rtty sstv 什么的，玩起来。 - 另外还有一些别的使用场景，比如卫星通联地面站的配置、SDR 中频引出频谱联动、Hamconnect Udp Broadcast、远程台站等等。另外 LiveCD 不污染系统也是一大亮点…… 个人觉得在自己主要用来开发/办公的 PC 上装一堆 DIGI 软件不是很优雅 🤪

可以参考 DigiPi 的做法 https://digipi.org/ 。他是一个树莓派系统，集成了一堆数字模式的预制软件，通过 web 或者 vnc 来访问，每次开关机都恢复初始设置，也不怕搞坏。

我觉得只是基于现有的发行版和桌面环境装些软件包和配置的话，会用Linux的没这个LiveCD也能用，而且自己的系统更顺手，不会用Linux的可能桌面都进不去只能对着kernel panic发呆

@"BI1XJT"#p91387 你复制我也复制： > 这个系统要提供统一的声卡及 CAT 控制，一中实现方法是在 pipewire 中先创建一个 placeholder 的声卡，这个声卡可以被映射到任何一个物理声卡。然后在创建这个 livecd 的时候，把所有软件都指向那个 placeholder 声卡。然后借助 Hamlib 像所有程序提供一个统一的 CAT 控制服务器，这样只要一处配置 CAT, 处处都可以用。不如搞个 helvum 和对应的文档，让用户自己连线玩

用树莓派，基于Linux开发一套软件倒是一个好的想法

@"BI7BST"#p91402 > 不如搞个 helvum 和对应的文档，让用户自己连线玩和 “开机即通联” 和最小化配置这个理念不太匹配。 > 会用 Linux 的没这个 LiveCD 也能用，而且自己的系统更顺手没错，不然花大量时间配这个配那个图什么呢？但我是不喜欢配置的，感觉很浪费时间…… 这系统本来也不是为 Hacker 服务的，是为 Ham 服务的。 > 不会用 Linux 的可能桌面都进不去只能对着 kernel panic 发呆感觉还好。这么说，Debian 和 Ubuntu 的官方 LiveCD 图什么呢？ ;-)

@"BI7BST"#p91411 这个应该有办法，支持多个电台，但单人双机也是属于远期计划了。类似的，专一用途 LiveCD 不少，有先例。至于 nix，不评价。🤪

打算有空先弄个 POC 出来，看看好不好玩 😙

~~引用贴贴主来了~~其实这个想法很不错，我那个想法主要是Windows毕竟是比较主流的系统，所以说就选windows了（但是很不错，主要是我本人对Linux还是太学浅了没windows了解的多一些

如果目的只是给自己和其他以Linux为乐趣的的人玩，那无论是普通Linux，还是LiveCD、声明式配置、不可变系统想用什么都可以。但如果你真的打算推广给只将电脑当作工具和游戏机的用户，那现阶段的最佳选项要么是Windows，要么是学习安卓设计一套能让人一眼就知道怎么用的人机交互界面然后把其他地方直接全焊死，不要留可以让用户自由发挥的部分。

Qrvbian: A Debian-based amateur radio desktop Live-CD (concept)

BI1XJT

Affected by https://forum.hamcq.cn/d/7831 The idea came from a post about creating a "bootable" Debian Live CD.

After careful consideration, I think this naming scheme is quite clever; its purpose is to achieve "instant connectivity upon startup" and minimize configuration.

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Current pain points when using Microsoft Windows:

The control software for various radio applications is unreliable. Even with Omnirig, it's essentially useless. Ultimately, the situation boils down to a conflict between CAT and other software, requiring the addition of virtual serial ports to resolve the issue. 😅
I installed a bunch of software on my computer, and then what? Every time I want to use them, I have to configure them all again. N1MM, JTDX, Winlink Fldigi... it's always the same hassle. Haha.
Furthermore, there are also users who cannot configure it, and many OM systems are never configured. 🤪 The system crashed, so I had to reinstall it and then find someone to configure it again.
And don't even get me started on how difficult it is to install software on Windows – some programs simply won't work without a bit of "magic," and even if you manage to install them, you'll end up with a huge collection of supporting libraries.

Therefore, it's clear that these issues cannot be resolved simply by adding a system and pre-installed software. However, if we change our approach and create a customized system to help users overcome these challenges, I believe it would be very successful. Key features/functions of Qrvbian's plan:

This system could be based on a live CD like Debian or Ubuntu, which would first solve the problem of Windows occasionally becoming corrupted and requiring reinstallation.
This system requires users to enter relevant information, such as call sign and grid location, at startup. Ideally, this information should be stored persistently so that it doesn't need to be re-entered each time the system is started. Once completed, the wizard automatically configures all software that uses call signs and other information, such as: wsjtx, jtdx, fldigi, qlog, notn1mm, qsstv, etc.
This system should provide unified audio and CAT control. One implementation method is to first create a placeholder audio card within PipeWire. This card can be mapped to any physical audio card. When creating the live CD, all software should point to this placeholder audio card. Then, using Hamlib, provide a unified CAT control server for all programs, so that once configured, it can be used everywhere.
It should provide some documentation on the main ways to use it, since it's a live CD. This means everyone will have the same system, so using the same tutorial shouldn't cause any problems. Even someone who doesn't know anything about FT8, RTTY, or SSTV should be able to get started.
Furthermore, there are other specific use cases, such as configuring satellite communication ground stations, SDR mid-band spectrum linkage, Hamconnect UDP broadcast, and remote station setups.

Another key advantage of using a Live CD is that it doesn't pollute your system. Personally, I don't find it very elegant to install a large number of DIGI software packages on my primary development/office PC. 🤪

BI7BST

BI1XJT You copy, I copy:

This system should provide unified audio and CAT control. One implementation method is to first create a placeholder audio card within PipeWire. This card can be mapped to any physical audio card. When creating the live CD, all software should point to this placeholder audio card. Then, using Hamlib, provide a unified CAT control server for all programs, so that once configured, it can be used everywhere.

Instead of creating a "helvum" and its corresponding documentation, let users connect and play themselves.

BI1UHW

You can refer to DigiPi's approach. https://digipi.org/ It's a Raspberry Pi system with pre-installed software for various digital modes. You can access it via the web or VNC, and it automatically reverts to its initial settings each time you power it on, so you don't have to worry about messing anything up.

BI7BST

I think that simply installing some packages and configuring them on an existing distribution and desktop environment would allow me to use Linux even without a Live CD. Furthermore, I would have a system that feels more natural and intuitive to use, and someone who is not familiar with Linux might not be able to access the desktop at all, leaving them staring blankly at a kernel panic.

BI1XJT

BI7BST

Instead of creating a "helvum" and its corresponding documentation, let users connect and play themselves.

This doesn't align well with the concepts of "instant connectivity upon boot" and minimizing configuration.

I can use it even without a Live CD, and I find my own system to be more convenient.

That's right, otherwise I would spend a lot of time configuring this and that... But I don't like configuring things; it feels like a waste of time. This system was originally designed for HAM radio operators, not hackers.

If you don't use Linux, you might not be able to access your desktop environment, and you'll just be left staring at a "kernel panic."

It seems to be working well. So, what about the official LiveCD images for Debian and Ubuntu? ;-)

debain

Using a Raspberry Pi to develop software based on Linux is indeed a good idea.

BI7BST

BI1XJT

This doesn't align well with the concepts of "instant connectivity upon boot" and minimizing configuration.

That means you wouldn't be able to use multiple streams; plugging in two radios directly would cause an explosion.

That's right! Otherwise, I would spend a lot of time configuring this and that... But I don't like configuring things; it feels like a waste of time.

You'll need NixOS, used consistently throughout your setup. For example, the configuration file for my HAM LiveCD is located at github.com/Cryolitia/nixos-config/blob/main/hosts/q6a/hamradio.nix. Just find a computer with Nix installed and run it. nix build from github: cryolitia/nixos-config#radxa-q6a-image This allows you to directly automate the creation of the latest image.

It seems to be working well. So, what about the official Live CD images for Debian and Ubuntu? ;-)

From a general perspective, the goal is to install and recover the system.

BI1XJT

BI7BST There should be a way to do this, supporting multiple radio stations, but having a single device with two radios is also part of the long-term plan. Similarly, there are many specialized LiveCDs available, and this is not unprecedented.

As for Nix, I won't comment on it.🤪

BI1XJT

I plan to create a proof-of-concept (POC) first to see if it's feasible and worthwhile. 😙

cooollawf_BG2GSX

~~Quote from original poster~~Actually, this is a good idea. My main reason for choosing Windows was that it's the most popular operating system.
However, it's quite good, mainly because I still have a relatively shallow understanding of Linux and don't know as much about Windows.

BloodBlade

If the goal is simply to have fun with Linux and other people who enjoy it, then whether you use a standard Linux distribution, a Live CD, or a declarative configuration system like an immutable system, it doesn't matter.

However, if you are truly planning to promote it to users who primarily use computers as tools and gaming machines, the best option at this stage would either be Windows or a well-designed Android interface that allows users to easily understand how to interact with the system. This interface should provide a clear and intuitive user experience, while minimizing the need for customization or manual configuration.

BI1XJT

BloodBlade You are right, even if we were to "hard-wire" users into the system. Android can do this, and Live CD might also be able to.

BG4QBF

Could we instead maintain a software repository where users can download and install whatever they need, for example, by providing a Debian 12 amd64 package?&i386 source, keeping the software relatively up-to-date (Debian official repositories are generally older).

I chose Debian 12 because it's stable, has 32-bit support, and is currently the "oldstable" version.

This is just my personal opinion; please don't take it too seriously.

BI1XJT

BG4QBF It seems like the software source could be a byproduct of this project, as if the software is too old, a separate software source would also need to be created. However, I think the Trixie packages are not very old.

BloodBlade

BI1XJT Actually, my main focus isn't on permanently fixing it, but rather on...It was immediately clear how to use the intuitive interface.……

BG4QBF

BI1XJT The Trixie package is indeed new, but it doesn't include the 32-bit version (unfortunately).

BH4FCY

Pre-installed software + quick configuration tools = ability to quickly migrate and use.

BD8FXM

First, I recommend a Linux distribution:https://minios.dev/
He can boot from a Ventoy-created ISO image on a USB drive, which includes some commonly used driver software out of the box. The easiest way to use it is to make changes within this booted system, and then save those changes to the USB drive. The next time you boot, the changes will be automatically loaded.

Secondly, I recently discovered a GitHub project that allows you to run graphical web pages within a Docker container.https://github.com/linuxserver/docker-baseimage-selkies), while you can also access graphical pages directly by visiting ip+port through a web browser.
I was thinking about creating a system where I could use SDR++, and then access my SDR remotely, even when I wasn't at home. However, this hasn't been implemented yet. Currently, I've created my own SSH tool using this.https://github.com/FunkyPantsSa/Selkies-WindTerm/tree/main

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