本人有老B级证，初玩短波，想先低成本尝试一下，求推荐设备组合。想像的使用场景：一部电台，在家里和车上都能用。家里就在阳台临时架设天线，不扰民。车上也不需要固定安装为车台，只是外出游玩等时候简单架设一下。电台如果就选协谷G90N或类似价位的，初期天线、电源以及其他必要的配件有什么建议呢？希望能快速上手。以后等有经验了，再上功放和更专业的天线。

K6改芯加短波芯片加甜甜圈天线

@"BG5CQF"#p19088 这是个办法，不过我还是想先少折腾，能正规验机拿执照，以后升C证。

先行测试：德生PL-330收音机，用来确定能不能收到信号，300元正式架台：机器：协谷G90S（不能按15W以下办小证的，G90N，价格一样）天馈：成都M哥MA-01天线 + M哥家的地网 + 馈线 + 夹边电源：自己做一个点烟器电源放车上，再淘个服务器电源放家里其他配件：FT8数据线、M哥家的网分费用：不到3000

@"BG4IJK"#p19091 准备按这个路子开始

@"BG4ILW"#p19093 然后发现功率太小，也就搞搞FT8，最后还得垫功放或大功率台😂 [upl-image-preview url=https://storage.hamcq.cn/2024-05-30/1717050350-791700-hamdoutu-agadlgcaasjz0vy.png]

@"BG4IJK"#p19095 可惜不能100W了😩

如果有条件架天线，多尝试自然谐振天线，加感天线对QRP实在不友好

二手x6100➕ma01天线➕一个磷酸铁锂移动电源

@"BG4IJK"#p19091 谢谢建议。PL-368/660收音机收SSB比较有经验了。 M哥某宝页面上自己说不建议短波新手入手他的天线，不知道新手借助G90S/N的天调能否把MA-01天线调教好？

I'm new to shortwave radio and looking for an affordable entry-level setup. Can you recommend some equipment?

Ken

I have a Class B license and am new to shortwave radio. I'm looking for affordable equipment recommendations to start with.

Imagine the use cases: a radio that can be used both at home and in the car. At home, it can be temporarily mounted on the balcony to avoid disturbing neighbors. In the car, it doesn't require permanent installation as a car mount; it simply needs to be easily set up when going out for leisure activities.

If I'm choosing between the XieGu G90N or similar priced radios, what are your recommendations for antennas, power supplies, and other necessary accessories to get started quickly? I plan to upgrade to a more powerful amplifier and a professional antenna later on.

BG5CVT

Ken For beginners, I strongly recommend buying a 100W radio. Buying a high-power QRP radio could significantly discourage your interest in shortwave communication. Because beginners don't yet understand the principles of shortwave propagation, a powerful radio can quickly help you adapt to the shortwave environment, and then gradually transition from QRO to QRP. I do not recommend G90S, G90N, or X6100 for QRP operation. If your budget allows, there are still many options available.
8000-10000 RMB, FTDX10
6000-8000 IC7100 FT710 IC7300
4000-5000 FT891
1000-3000 IC718 (78) IC707 (77) IC725A
If you're looking for something under $1000, take a look at the Kenwood TKM707.
The above options represent QROs with a power output of at least 100W, and you can choose one that best suits your needs.
As for the antenna, either a 20m end-fed V750 or a 5.3m GP would be suitable.

BG5CQF

K6 with modified core, shortwave chip, and donut-shaped antenna.

Ken

BG5CQF This is a viable option, but I still prefer to take it slow and get proper testing and certification first, so I can later pursue the C-license.

BG4IJK

Initial testing:
De Sheng PL-330 radio, used to determine if a signal can be received, priced at 300 yuan.

Formal installation:
Equipment: XieGu G90S (Cannot be used to obtain a license for output power below 15W; the G90N has the same price)
Antenna: Chengdu M-Brother MA-01 antenna + M-Brother's ground network + feed line + clamp
Power source: I'll build a power supply for my e-cigarette and install it in the car, and then buy a server power supply to use at home.
Other accessories: FT8 data cable, and the network splitter from M's house.
Cost: Less than $3000

BG4ILW

BG4IJK Let's start down this path.

Ken

BG4IJK Thank you for the suggestion. I have some experience using the PL-368/660 receiver for SSB communication.

On M's webpage, he advises beginners not to buy his antennas. I'm curious if beginners can successfully tune the MA-01 antenna using G90S/N antennas?

BH9FPK

BG4IJK It's expensive. I want to buy a XieGu G106C, which costs 1300 now. Then I also need a 4-band antenna feeder, which costs 150. And another 1:1 Balun 60. I will make two-band inverted V myself, with a 10-meter feed line and a 50-meter rope. Also, I need a 14.8V 5Ah battery pack, which costs 80.

BI1QYI

BG4IJK 馈线用多长的合适

BG4IJK

BG4ILW Then I found that the power was too small, so I tried FT8, but eventually I still needed to use a preamplifier or a high-power radio.😂

BG4ILW

BG4IJK Unfortunately, I can't achieve 100W.😩

BH7HQT

If you have the option to set up an antenna, try a natural resonant antenna first. Adding a tuned antenna is generally not recommended for QRP operation.

Jason

Ken While 天调 can lower the SWR, it's not very efficient, and it works fine for FT8, but I haven't tried it with SSB.
If possible, it's better to buy a non-gain antenna; MA-01 is mainly for vehicle and portable use, but the ground network is very important, especially the multi-pole ground network.

BG6XVJ

G90+ (Positive)

Ken

Jason Thank you. For non-directional antennas, in scenarios like those on balconies, cars, or temporary setups outdoors, what recommendations do you have?

Jason

Ken For balconies and cars, use MA-01. For outdoor setups, a larger V-shaped or GP system, or a direct feed (requiring two trees and a relatively open space), is preferable.

BI6OIE

Ken Pocket HF. Antenna A25口袋短波天线
➕二手x6100
我不咋说话的情况下，内置电池能收听一下午，更长没试过一般到点就收
20 米长，户外随便找个树，阳台和车上不太好弄

BH9FPK

BG5CVT You don't seem to have any financial constraints, so feel free to do whatever you want.

yzyyz

BG5CVT The 707 cannot be tested; instead, you can look at the IC78 or IC718.

BD8AUZ

BG5CVT
本人小白，去年才拿B证
也很纠结，如果在以前，新手确实应该入100W
但是现在新规出来，如果要合规使用，本地备案的小证最多也是15W发谢
而且今年的新B证更是连工信部100w的大证都没机会拿
所以入门难受啊，就算买100W的机器也不能合规使用，在15W以内又玩不好，极易弃坑
真是无解
还有个消息，据说马上B证也要增加技能考试了😅

pmxlbt

Anonymous3 What size is the old iron battery?

BG8LFE

Currently, I am using a XieGu G90S with a custom-made V5.6 meter whip antenna and a customized power supply. The antenna is mounted on a tree without any additional support.

BG5VLI

I'd like to know how to choose the right feeder cable. I want to buy a G90S and a MA-01, but I'm not sure which feeder cable to use with them.

BG8LFE

BG5VLI 馈线，成品自制都行，你注意接头就好，50-3的线就合适。

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